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Post by 2072p15 on Nov 6, 2005 11:29:27 GMT
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Post by richard on Nov 6, 2005 13:13:52 GMT
HI Why is he angry with you ? have you guys fallen out over some thing !? best is to get on the opposite team ps what does your name mean ? or is it random numbers etc
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Post by Fox on Nov 6, 2005 13:29:46 GMT
Hi I want to report a similar things that happened to me yesterday and this morning.... well I was playing in map forest and i usually use to stay in the left corner of the bridge...one player (no name he knows who he is) used to push me with +salute against the enemy fire to hold that corner...yesterday in the map with the tank it was the same..also when people are to revive under the enemy fire I go there and i get pushed from behind from this one...that is no tkilling but very similar: i get killed because of him...stop it please...
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Post by 2072p15 on Nov 6, 2005 14:36:23 GMT
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Post by [2B]F4!RM4N on Nov 7, 2005 12:43:56 GMT
I clean him up dont woryy , all gonna be ok
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Post by c0MBat on Nov 7, 2005 15:14:16 GMT
Fox you should find out wether this player pushes you to annoy you or maybe just because you are in the way...
/map forest:
I see many players hiding behind the left and right stone pillars of the tunnel in /map forest, as well on Axis as on Allied side. There is nothing wrong with that, unless... they keep hiding there, not backup up teammates with firesupport and on top of that block the retreating mates, who retreat from being attacked inside the tunnel. The fact that they block their teammates, who will now have to run further to escape enemy-fire, often makes the difference between a successfull retreat or death... Dont forget these 4 places are the best positions of the tunnel... Its just a waste of time to let these players stand here, and if you explain to them that they disturb the game they dont listen... In my optics pushing these noobs away isnt teamkilling; it is called: saving the team!
reviving teammates:
Another way to lose for sure: reviving 1 teammate with 4 medics... When im the first person that runs to a wounded to revive I sure as hell push everyone away that comes near (when under fire)... If you want to help me / team give me backupfire! Remember: after you revive you can hide behind the person thats been revived for a few seconds, most of the times its crucial to do this; with more than one medic reviving you lose this option... I hear many times that players find me a very quick reviving medic, one way to make sure you dont miss the wounded when you are trying to sting him, is to use +salute so he will stay 'attached' to you, very usefull when reviving a wounded when being under fire, because without the +saluting you'd be shot away from the wounded and so you have to get near him again, thats bad!
If you get annoyed by a medic who keeps pushing you while you try to revive, probably the best thing to do is not to revive anymore when you see him running to the wounded, but to COVER him. Remember you play together in a team; when something isnt working you change it! Dont keep going your own way, adapt to the circumstances! Especially those guys who sometimes say: " I won the game " when they got the highest score are the ones that become mad when they missed a revive, simply because they didnt get their stupid 2 points; they even shoot at the medic who revived... They only look at the fact that they were pushed, not at the fact that the teammate was revived (-> What is more important?) ... If you get pushed away during a revive it most of the times means that you are either too late or you missed the first attempt... Maybe you dont like being pushed away while you risk your life, but what about the person that is wounded and waiting? He just wants to get revived as soon as possible and thats more important!
... you should always ask why someone pushes you!
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Post by 2072p15 on Nov 7, 2005 16:51:26 GMT
I still don't understand what's wrong with camping Why is it not allowed? Everyone is doing it!
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Post by Fox on Nov 7, 2005 17:33:00 GMT
Well I think he does only for get me angry..cause I always use to backup team mate when necessary and when i can i dont lock the door or the passage... when there is some1 to revive i ran first to him and he, behind, pushes me i think only to make points... well i will try to adapt my strategies and my behaviour to him when i play with that..
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Post by P@INL3SS on Nov 9, 2005 22:28:02 GMT
Hi, I read the push-story so far. First of all, I like to put this straight: I think Comb@t has a good vieuw on things, but (like me) sometimes forget that not all players play by the same strategy. Comb@t talks about "pushing these noobs (...) away" on Forest-level. Which player has the right to push teammates into enemy fire just because they "disturb the game", who's game ? Just because they have a different, or even no strategy, doesn't give anyone the right to push his teammate (that's what he is, being a noob or not) into enemy fire. The phraze I did like was "adapt to the circumstances!" and that's exactly what you should do. Read next part. Second Part: It amazes me you write some players (even you ?) push teammate medics away while reviving ?? Please tell me, how long did it take for you to become, (as they say) a quick medic ? hours ? weeks ? months ?. Certainly a lot of practice. Give fellow-medics (or any other class) a chance to become a good player too instead of pushing them away. Maybe you should give "slower" medics covering fire so they can improve their skills. One day you'll need their skills too....
Don't shoot the messenger....
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Post by Trg3Frantic3 on Nov 9, 2005 23:11:10 GMT
Good explaination Painless, Can I add a lil somthing? Well its really an opinion. To all Noob's and some Experience Players: I've spectated at the end of matches when all of my lives are gone, and notice that players still use the scroll button on the mouse to change through their weapons, packs (ammo or health) and needle. Unless your a very experience player, this method is good for you, but some noobs stand over you switching through their inventory and end up killing themselves and you... My question is, how come they dont bind there keys..? I like to call them hot keys...! To me binding certain keys is alot fast then scrolling through your inventory. ie. I have needle set to "G" and Packs set to "H" "F" for mg and "V" for nades I can go on and on with my customs keys, but the advantage in setting hotkeys is faster response. Somone that has their keys binded can switch from mg to needle in one move, while others that have scrolling might have to scroll 1 or possible 2 extra items before they get to the desired item. Anyhow, i think this pertains to being a better medic. If you can get in, revive and get out, the less clutter and dying you will advoid.
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Post by c0MBat on Nov 10, 2005 10:37:04 GMT
oops... looks like I put two stories in one; I forgot the last two lines its ok to push the noobs into the tunnel that stand behind the pillars --> thats not what i meant!! this is how it should be: /map forest
I see many players hiding behind the left and right stone pillars of the tunnel in /map forest, as well on Axis as on Allied side. There is nothing wrong with that, unless... they keep hiding there, not backup up teammates with firesupport and on top of that block the retreating mates, who retreat from being attacked inside the tunnel. The fact that they block their teammates, who will now have to run further to escape enemy-fire, often makes the difference between a successfull retreat or death... Dont forget these 4 places are the best positions of the tunnel... Its really juste a waste of time to just stand there... |
This is my point: Theres nothing wrong with being a bit less active than rest of team (camping?) but just try not to camp on the most tactical spots! what comes next: "Its just a waste of time to let these players stand here, and if you explain to them that they disturb the game they dont listen... In my optics pushing these noobs away isnt teamkilling; it is called: saving the team!" are the last two lines of something I deleted. A story about pushing blockers who get killed (= teamkilling?) I admit it looks rather strange this way... but it got a bit too long so I took it away: Its not okay to push teammates whenever you like, but sometimes it is needed. What if the teammate gets killed after that? Like when someone is trying to retreat or attack using the side-entrance of the tunnel I see many times that a noob blocks the doorway; pushing them away to clear the path is pretty usefull, but the problem is that there might be a chance that you push em into enemy-fire and get killed. The dilemma here is that you are not allowed to teamkill by pushing him, but you do not want to be killed either (or see other teammates getting killed). So what can you do? First of all you try to talk with them and explain whats the problem, but when that fales, theres not very much to do... but to push em away when its needed, even when theres a chance that they get killed. I dont think you could call this last situation teamkilling... In my opinion when this happens I'd rather call it "saving the team" than "teamkilling" about the medic-part: I always salute when I revive (except /map tram), so when I accidentally push a teammate I dont see a problem. Seen the fact that I never get any complaints about saluting I assume that other players dont have a problem with it either... Given the fact that you are amazed that I use +salute must mean that you never noticed me doing it, while I do it all the time... and so the only conclusion can be that I do it almost unnoticed and thats exacly what I was trying to make clear to Fox: Saluting medics may seem as if they are pushing YOU away from body; but you should realise that they maybe have thought it over very clean and that the pushing is nothing but a well-considered way of playing; I'm not saying what everybody should do or should not do, I just want to remark to Fox that maybe the pushing was part of a strategie that most noobs have no idea of, and they get offended thinking they got prevented from reviving. Why do I drag/salute while I revive? Not only do you clear the body of grenades but you also ensure you will revive him because you drag him with you while you can dodge bullets ( I know: I havent seen anyone do this but me...), and sometimes when an allie and axis are both on top of eachother and the enemy tries to revive too, you wont get stinged... so, I think its rather stupid not to use salute when you revive. When I see you lying on the floor with a noob next to you attempting to revive you for the 8th time, just standing out in the open, no crouching, enemy approaching... I push him away and save YOUR ass! I never had a complaint from the person who got revived apart from: "thanks for saving me, I thought it was going to take forever!". I never saw someone say this: "Guyz dont push him away, just let that noob revive me, he has still got to learn, even when its going to take the rest of the game!" Dont make me laugh... You'd do exactly the same as I would: call another medic as quick as you can. How long did I needed to learn to revive? I never played on Deathmatch-servers when I was a noob, because you havent got enough lifes to practise and your team depends on you while you got no skills... but if you use salute when you revive on s4ndmod I'm sure you'll never miss
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Post by P@INL3SS on Nov 10, 2005 20:46:00 GMT
LOL FRAN, I know one scrolling medic, namely ME ;D. I did try the bind-keys, but noticed I still used the scrollwheel over and over, maybe because I've been using it for over 3 years ? I even downloaded a reviving script, which actually did do the job (very funny to watch) by pressing one hotkey, but took about 2 secs longer then doin the "handjob" . The script-medic even threw healthpacks after revive, lol ! Never did the Comb@t-Combo drag-sting-and-away-thing. And also never noticed me being pushed away, you're right about that Comb@t ! Body-dragging reviving the way Comb@t describes it can certainly be of help in some situations, but 90% of all revives will be the standard sting-thing. In time I maybe will learn myself the Comb@t-Combo, till then I do it the stupid way or I cover a noob-medic to let him practice, LOL ! C.U. ALL !!!
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Post by [2B]F4!RM4N on Nov 11, 2005 7:01:54 GMT
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Post by c0MBat on Nov 11, 2005 8:41:49 GMT
well... its only stupid if you dont use it and die while it could have saved your life...
I use mousewheel for dropreload: wheelup= drop gun; wheeldown = next gun; So a complete dropreload will be: wheelup, wheeldown (=Popular bind)
Using mousewheel for needles or packs is not very clever!
I only use x for giving packs, because the 6 is too far away
Painless... ill show you the "playdead-salute-playdead-playdead-kill-salute-revive" combo that Vamp & me use...
I still think that practising revive is best done on a non-DM server (... just an opinion)
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Post by Trg3Frantic3 on Nov 11, 2005 13:55:06 GMT
Hey Comb@t, send me that code if you can... I've seen plenty of scripts, but havent seen that one yet... Thanx Painless... ill show you the "playdead-salute-playdead-playdead-kill-salute-revive" combo that Vamp & me use...
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Post by c0MBat on Nov 11, 2005 13:57:29 GMT
;D lol its not a code...
these are the commands in the right order we use for our 'door-trick'
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Post by Trg3Frantic3 on Nov 11, 2005 14:01:58 GMT
knew there was a catch...? Like i said.. never seen that b 4...
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Post by Fox on Nov 11, 2005 14:43:39 GMT
Lol Fairman ........ I read that now... ;D
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