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Post by kama on May 15, 2014 12:58:12 GMT
im in a dilemma about to build a PC fed up of Pre-Builds overpriced and tbh not built very well
im running an Asus m5a78l usb3 with AMD FX-6100 chipset at the moment, it's ok but it crashes alot blue screens and it wont run steam very well crashes mid way thru a game, have had these problems since the day i got it, yep i should have sent it back but was too lazy so im turning my hand to PC-build
what are your opinions on
ASUS Sabertooth 990FX with an AMD FX-8320 or 8350
or
Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3 with an AMD 8320 or 8350
the problem i have is i dont know which board to go for
my gut is telling me to go for Sabertooth i seen alot of youtube vids and they all rate the sabertooth pretty high, what do you think ?
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Post by |'L0.| on May 15, 2014 13:04:40 GMT
Gigabyte imho. Asus has shit load of problems...I dunno about sabertooth but in general, I was very displeased with them. Ram issues if all 4 slots were fool, overheating, case issues etc..just blah. But it's a lotto as with anything..Google specific models and see what community has to say about each. I usually google by entering a model and add ram, unstable or alike issue etc..to see if there's any problems reported.
Also BSOD can be solved by configuring bios correctly or checking if your ram is supported by board/has issues if all slots are full, as well as bios updates etc..
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Post by kama on May 15, 2014 13:25:23 GMT
thanks thats what im doing now searching brands and forums wanna get this half right at least, even if it means changing to intel, at this stage im just window shopping i have a budget of around 800pound so dont want to rush
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Post by |'L0.| on May 18, 2014 13:18:07 GMT
Since you already mention your budged, what is it that you already have regarding hardware (so you can carry it over)?
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Post by kama on May 19, 2014 17:06:31 GMT
i have Asus M5A78L-M USB3 mobo FX-6100 3.5Ghz OC'd to 4.0Ghz AMD chip 8gb Kingston Hyper RAM (RAM is decent enough i'll keep this) GTX 550Ti Geforce GPU 1.5TB Green HDD - having read issues might upgrade this to a Western Digital Caviar BLACK edition 2x LG DVD SATA2 of which one is lightscribe PSU is 750watts but dont know brand as was pre-build Galaxy Blue Gaming case
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Post by |'L0.| on May 19, 2014 19:22:07 GMT
Well I assume current HW suffices for your needs, when it works that is. =)
I mean use what you can and buy what you need. I assume your memory is DDR3? That's something you have to be sure so you wont buy the wrong one...other than that, get a mother board & SSD drive. 120gb SSD is fine..you only need it for system as green version is at 5400rpm and not really decent enough to run system stuff..but for games and such it should be fine (just little longer load times) as it falls down to memory anyway.
To sum it up, use what you have and simply buy new motherboard & SSD drive and you're good to go. Only if you really need or really want to spent the money, then grab i7 and buy motherboard that supports it. I7 prices start at around 300€ I think, a solid motherboard will cost you another 150-250€ and 120gb SSD drive is around 100€. With all that, chip in 60€ more for a new cpu cooler and you're good to go. So basically, SSD and mobo are needed..rest is just optional if you wish to switch..
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Post by kama on May 20, 2014 6:00:53 GMT
yes Ram is DDR3 1600 forgot to mention that bit
someone from my work offered me a Corsair Carbide 300r Case & Corsair RM 850 PSU for 90 pounds, which i bought just now (i'd be stupid not too at that price LoL) other than that i do need to upgrade the Mobo, this one seems to be struggling atm dont know why tbh, the BSOD i have fixed in BIOS now i also downgraded the Overclock to 3.5Ghz that might take the strain off for the time being, if not then i'll upgrade the board & Chip, the PSU is a bit overkill granted but i intend to get a 2nd GPU later on, thinking Geforce GTX 560Ti it has 2gb RAM, i think my 550Ti is also struggling to handle bigger games with only 1gb
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Post by |'L0.| on May 20, 2014 11:54:50 GMT
GPU memory is not what's important really. It was back in voodoo 3 days but now days you're interested in how many bits, cuda processors and stuff it has..as it's not how much it can fit it, but how fast can it fit in.
GPU is easily along with CPU the most expensive part. If you reach for stars and grab Intel then you're in a world of pain..cpu's are expensive like hell. If you have as you say 700 gbp (Roughly 860€) to waste, then you can go for it. Here's an example:
- SSD: Kingston or Samsung 120gb = avg 80€ - CPU: Intel Procesor Core i7 4770K Haswell (4th generation) 3,50 GHz = 340€ - Motherboard: MSI B85-G43 Gaming = 115 € - GPU; GeForce GTX 760 top = 290€ or Gigabyte R9 280X OC = 325€
This basically falls directly into your budged.
Some philosophy behind it; You don't need more then 120gb SSD drive because basic idea is to use SSD only for system (windows, office, multiboot etc) stuff, while you utilize existing (WD 1.5tb) for movies, games etc.. This specific motherboard only supports 1 graphic card, so if you're looking into SLI/CrossFire support, you may want to look for something else...rest is just well an example.
You can always polish selection by i.e. taking i5 cpu and save 100-150€ and use that to invest into better motherboard or GPU etc..it's basically a rough ideal that needs polishing touches based upon your desires/needs. It would also be wise to spent 50-80€ on a cpu cooler...as it's nothing comparing to blowing up 350€ cpu etc.
But yeah, that's about it really.
EDIT: Totally overlooked the fact your OC'ing. Yeah BSOD is probably tied to that, you need to have a cooling system that can handle CPU over large load when OC'ed. People usually resolve to water cooling in that case, but I personally always stick to following philosophy - Unless if there's a reasonable cause, never OC cpu, rather instead get a better CPU..Default i7 will be able to cope pretty much with most if not all your needs. Intel > Amd, that's a fact, although with it comes also a price...a middle range intel costs roughly the same as almost a high end AMD, but hey, with intel you literally fly..
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Post by kama on May 20, 2014 20:27:09 GMT
thanks for the advise, im going to look into Intel & SSD, the Overclocking downgrade has worked the machine is alot more stable now, so i might just keep what i have as the issue seems to have resolved, im not a pro and i will leave OC'ing tbh i dont really know what im doing and like you said for a SIX CORE basic machine running at a total of 21Ghz (3.5 per core) it's not that bad, but im defo looking into an SSD drive and an Intel & GPU upgrade but that will be much later, My philosophy is ""If it isnt broke, Dont Fix IT"" so i'll save my pennys and do a upgrade later down the road, but im gonna get an SSD & i purchased a Watercooler today so that should take some pressure off aswell Again Thanks Lo'
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Post by kama on Nov 20, 2014 20:58:13 GMT
Well it took long enough to get the parts what with work and all but here is what im running now
AMD 8350 4.0ghz Sabertooth 990Fx R2 Corsair RM 850 Psu Corsair Vengence 16gb 1800 Ram Geforce 660 Ti MSI power Edition 2gb 250gb SSD 2Tb Seagate HDD black edition Corsair 300r Case Corsair H100i WaterCooled
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Post by |'L0.| on Nov 21, 2014 11:26:17 GMT
Nice. Just make sure you keep an eye on the water - purity and amount of it.
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Post by kama on Nov 21, 2014 13:57:22 GMT
Entirely self-contained Hydro Series H100i comes pre-filled, and never needs refilling or priming. ...................................... But i'll keep an eye on it anyway
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Post by |'L0.| on Nov 21, 2014 18:18:18 GMT
No such thing. Eventually it evaporates. I reckon it will stay alive longer then regular that has to be refilled every 6-7 months..but downside is, that once it's gone it's gone.
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Post by HeRMe! on Nov 22, 2014 18:49:07 GMT
I think you over did it a bit with the power supply, 850w is a lot. I made the same mistake 3 years ago with my 750w one, at least is 80 plus gold. The cpu you picked is great value for money, and 8 cores is a lot I'm planning to upgrade myself in the near future and leave my computer to my mother or one of my brothers, but I prefer Intel over ATI, even though their motherboards are more flexible in terms of what cpu you can put in them. I'll probably go with a high end i5, since I believe i7's are more oriented to content creation besides gaming and the price to performance ratio drops when you are just going to use it to play games.
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Post by |'L0.| on Nov 22, 2014 22:58:09 GMT
I would suggest you go with low end i7 rather than high end i5 as difference is quite significant (the last time I checked) and there's really only couple of € of difference (30-40€ I think). Tho truth to be told, there's new generation coming out I think so may be good to check what's planned so you wont overpay.
As for PSU, it's hard to overdo it. Every component included will drain power. Monster GFX will chew PSU under intense applications (modern full HD game) like it's paid to do so. But yeah, 850 can be little too much, especially since most of modern technologies reduce power usage..but it's easy to fill it- SLI or Crossfire can easily drain it so it's good to have little more aside, albeit electricity bill wont look nice.
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Post by kama on Nov 24, 2014 8:08:26 GMT
thats why i went for the RM 850 series as herme said its gold edition which actually saves me money and its seriously quite lol
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