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Post by unbeloved on Dec 11, 2007 14:10:40 GMT
I was playing AVPDM today and there was a guy called 'NSAlbertoo' on who started calling other people 'cheats'. First of all he started saying another player had 'autoturn with null aimbot' whatever that is. I was the teammate of this player and when speccing him (I kept dying early:( ) I didn't see anything odd. This guy then accused me of wallhacking which needless to say I DON'T DO. When I explained that I wear headphones, lean, have a 22" monitor, keep losing against him and that he was welcome to demo me he told me AVP is full of cheaters and then disconnected. Now I come across what I think are wallhackers sometimes and have even posted a demo of what I think was one but I'm not sure. So a few questions- is wallhacking and aimbot or autoturn really that common and second what should I be looking for? Also what's the best way of dealing with someone who accuses you? If it happens again I'm just going to keep quiet I think.
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Post by |'L0.| on Dec 11, 2007 14:25:16 GMT
doesn't sound like nS Alberto i know but anyway to answer your question- yes on 1.0 there are cheaters around, they come in many shapes and some may not be so obvious but more or less they get caught eventually and banned. As for cheats, it's hard to explain all u need to look but in basic principle u just look any unusual movement, style in player- etc player looking into wall and knowing when ppl come etc... or for aimbot u look for stuff like mouse jumping from head to head, basically all kinda unusual movement of player- but note some stuff may sometimes look like cheat but can be simply explained via high ping, broken mouse - etc sometimes if u spec some1 that has high ping it may seem at times he turns before he sees enemy but thing is that he sees stuff faster then u since he lags and before u get info of what he sees, he's already ahead of that etc..... but when u get accused of cheating just ignore it, it's not worth arguing for and it ruins general fun anyway so just do what u are the re for- play and hf =)
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Post by HeRMe! on Dec 11, 2007 20:02:53 GMT
if someone starts to call everyone cheater on the server is because of a) he hasn't seen a cheater before or b) he is basically one big loser
the only way and best way to deal with cheaters is don't letting them know you are there.
btw about the lag? have you ever played with high ping? you don't see things coming earlier... you see things after they happened. Just go around a corner and suddenly you are dead, and ur enemy is nowhere to be found.
I heard things like crt monitors give you that little fraction of a second earlier but not ping thats for sure... i don't know about +/- 90 pingers but higher than that there is no way they see things before they come
And even if they do, there are way more signs on a cheater than that.
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Post by Twist3r on Dec 11, 2007 21:51:07 GMT
This nS Alberto is most likely some retard from the cro clan, would be nice if you could check and ban him.
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Post by |'L0.| on Dec 12, 2007 0:09:35 GMT
i play on usa X when there is some rampage party aka cft_multidemo map, where i ping 250 and when others ping out 150/250 there are some errors in data, i sometimes come around the corner and see some1 that isn't yet made that corner but is just a fraction of time away, as server trys to predict certain parts of game so sometimes it shows some1¸smth that didn't happen at that moment as if u run in straight line server will predict (to some point) and draw world/send data to others that also ping high, which resolves in seeing a fraction of future if i can express it like that. Countless times i start to shot on person behind the corner and then antilag boost in and i died even before i reach the corner. So sometimes when u spec some1 that has etc issues with losing packets u see etc how he tries to move left and then next sec he's already looking left which would usually looked like aimbot etc but it's simply the fact that even tho he lost few packets he still seen the world drawen as it was before he lose the packages- like when server lags u can move a steep or 2 and see ppl u couldn't see it else but it puts u back in point when u lagged after it.
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Post by HeRMe! on Dec 12, 2007 1:01:05 GMT
yea im sure all you say is true, but theres no way that can affect the decision if someone cheats or not. We been busting them for more than 2 years now and even players from Korea get busted
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Post by |'L0.| on Dec 12, 2007 1:50:42 GMT
well as i pointed out that may depends of various situations, skilled cheat catcher will know the difference between random stuff, but what i was trying to say is that for some1 that has no past experience with dealing with cheats must count on various stuff that may be a factor in any suspicion, we all deal with that stuff but some deal with it on different level as they think on most of scenarios while taking demo while some just take the demo and say this does that without thinking or knowing any other reasons for certain behaviors =) It's like prefire, skilled person will prefire on known spots as he will expect that some1 is there and for less skilled person that may look like wh etc... typical base dm scenario etc...
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Post by unbeloved on Dec 12, 2007 7:50:20 GMT
Interesting thoughts here especially about pre-fire. For example on 'Beach' I will often throw a nade or run firing to corner/cabinet of war room because there is usually someone camped there. In maps I don't know so well I don't have this knowledge so don't shoot.
On the question of ping mine is excellent in most AVP server usually 20 or something. Maybe that can make some high ping players think you are cheat or something as you've killed them before they can react?
Anyway I'm now going to just keep shut if someone calls me cheat and they are welcome to demo me and see some bad play!!!!
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Post by killersoldat on Dec 21, 2007 11:44:09 GMT
so i think the biggest cheats are AIMBOT and WALLHACK. but he say he has a 22 monitor ? so when u play with FOV 120 u have a big seebrightness u have the normaly FOV 90. them its normlay u call WALLHACK. but not all are wallhack. i play a long time rtcw. when i ,,camp`` behind a door a i lissen to footsteps and they came near to me its normaly i sprint to that and shot. anthers ,,noobs´´ call WALLHACK. but i say play longer and pls no call and learn by doing. so when u call wallhack (WH) them pls go spec and SPEC´s him and make DEMO. when u sure he has wh, them say a avp admin that and he has them his ip and can bann.(pls give him them the demo) but its not good to write a cheater was on.........(u have no demo and ip)now u know and its better.
when i has find cheaters i post that on rtcwcheaters.tk
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Post by unbeloved on Dec 21, 2007 11:53:15 GMT
I see what you're saying and I already do what you suggest, I say nothing and demo them. Just like I did already twice and got two cheating fuktards removed from AVP. Will take a look at RTCWcheats as well, thanks!
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