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Post by postmannl on Oct 10, 2007 11:15:42 GMT
i consider peaking thru walls an unfair advantage, i can understand very well now why you have been accused of wh-ing so many times....
very lame indeed, and any ban you get for it is well deserved.
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Post by zoki on Oct 10, 2007 12:50:30 GMT
I agree with postman
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Post by josephine on Oct 10, 2007 13:30:58 GMT
i consider peaking thru walls an unfair advantage, i can understand very well now why you have been accused of wh-ing so many times.... very lame indeed, and any ban you get for it is well deserved. Post The problem is, Post, that most of the times when I have been accused has been times when I haven't "peeked through walls". Most of the times it has been because I've used my hearing, experience or skill. Sometimes neither. I'm sad to hear that you consider my ban deserved as I haven't cheated. As I've stated before "peeking through walls" is not really cheating and no server has rules against it. However, on those servers where the admins have told me to not use it I have stopped. Richard asked me so I stopped. Ninj4 (or anyone in F4N) didn't ask me so I used it. As it is it appears that F4N doesn't allow it so I don't use it there anymore. However I haven asked Ninj4 about it and he hasn't answered me yet so I don't know what to think to be honest. And, just to point out, I have never been banned (or kicked) for using the "peek through walls"-bug. All the times I've been banned on the servers it has been for reasons unknown. Or rather, false reasons.
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Post by HeRMe! on Oct 10, 2007 13:58:10 GMT
i consider peaking thru walls an unfair advantage you mean normal leaning? or leaning to see tru walls (bug)? i haven't read the previous page btw
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Post by josephine on Oct 10, 2007 14:03:06 GMT
i consider peaking thru walls an unfair advantage you mean normal leaning? or leaning to see tru walls (bug)? i haven't read the previous page btw He means leaning through walls (yes, the bug). Normal leaning is far from cheating (even though it can get you accused of cheating too :
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Post by HeRMe! on Oct 10, 2007 15:28:10 GMT
I'm sad to hear that you consider my ban deserved as I haven't cheated. As I've stated before "peeking through walls" is not really cheating and no server has rules against it. However, on those servers where the admins have told me to not use it I have stopped. Are you sure that is not cheating?
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Post by Malice on Oct 10, 2007 16:16:12 GMT
if not a cheat then certainly unethical.
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Post by Fox on Oct 10, 2007 16:48:27 GMT
ye there were few cases in the past of players banned from avp for wall bugging....or at least when herme and i were active admins we banned also that....i dont know how things are now tbh...
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Post by josephine on Oct 10, 2007 17:21:53 GMT
I'm sad to hear that you consider my ban deserved as I haven't cheated. As I've stated before "peeking through walls" is not really cheating and no server has rules against it. However, on those servers where the admins have told me to not use it I have stopped. Are you sure that is not cheating? Well if it is then I have never heard of it. I've only heard aimbot and wallhacking being refered to as "cheats". I know some considers it "unethical" or "lame" but that is only oppinions. Some considers camping in war room "unethical" and "lame". Now I don't say that it's the same thing but it's the same logic. Or whatever.
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Post by Malice on Oct 10, 2007 17:54:32 GMT
ehhh camping in wr is a tactic a lame tactic yes but a tactic.. exploiting the mistakes in a game and then to not share the info is unethical..if there is nothing wrong with it then why not share how to do so with the world?? cause you feel special that you know this?? and it isnt good enough for noobs? no you do it to get an unfair advantage and that is LAME.
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Post by Dakkon on Oct 10, 2007 18:22:20 GMT
Well its looking trhow the walls.. so yes i would not do it and think n1 should do it
If u want 2 b 120% correct u cant say its cheat because jose didnt use ani cheat program and so on..
But sometimes someone can b cheating without using cheats and i think in the way that cheating is 2 take an unfair advantage, using this bug is cheating
BTW: even so i really like 2 play with jose, i dont forget everithing that jose does for the game its an old timer and helps catching a lot of cheaters and its allways a good person respecting all players, jose u really shouldnt have done this but well i think that if anione deserves a chance its him(and i dont like that know many players dont respect him, im not talking of people on forum im talking about noobs that really dont know wat jose as done till know..) I believe jose will never use the bug again
Thanks all
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Post by Twist3r on Oct 10, 2007 18:56:16 GMT
If u want 2 b 120% correct u cant say its cheat because jose didnt use ani cheat program and so on.. He is using an exploit and as soon as it creates unfair advantage against other players it is a cheat.
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Post by Dakkon on Oct 10, 2007 19:16:39 GMT
He is using an exploit and as soon as it creates unfair advantage against other players it is a cheat. Yes i know is cheating i just want 2 make it clear that it wasnt a program, as i sayd sometimes u can cheat wihtout using cheats(programs )
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Post by josephine on Oct 10, 2007 19:22:52 GMT
Malice The reason why I've never shared the knowledge is because I was asked not to. Smoker (the old Smoker, the real one) showed me how to use the bug and he asked me not to tell people. The only person I've told about this is a close friend of mine who actually never plays this game anyway. You ask me why I've never told anyone, but surely people have known about this before me and Smoker? This game has existed for 6-7 years and this bug must have been there all the time, right? Surely someone else has used it before us and since the bug isn't well known I guess that person (or persons) didn't share it either. Dakkon As I've said before I don't agree that it is cheating. "Unethical" and "lame" perhaps but not really cheating. But it seems after reading what people think here that it's all down to a matter of oppinion. I don't regret that I used this bug since I don't see it as cheating and since no one objected. I will use it again on other servers but only if the admins allows it. Richard said no and I respect that. Ninj4 hasn't said no but it seems as if he doesn't approve so I don't use it on his servers. However the reason for that isn't down to respect as there's no way that I can ever respect him. But there isn't that many servers to chose from so I really can't afford to be banned from any if I wanna continue playing this game. As to giving me a 2nd chance I don't feel that I need it. I still say I haven't done anything against the rules. Not my fault Ninj4 is a ****** who is out to get me. P.S. Thanks for the kind words. I don't get many of those nowadays. Twister It's a matter of oppinion. Having great skill creates an "unfair advantage" against lesser players
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Post by |'L0.| on Oct 10, 2007 19:56:52 GMT
school started so did flame topics it's simple really, it's not that ppl didn't know that bug exist, i for one know for it quite some time and i didn't use it in game not even 1, only time i use it is when i show Malice while we where alone on server for what to watch out and kick ppl if he see them, as i notice quite a lot of players lately on other servers doing that. It was more dm thing here on retail but sadly it's more and more coming to life on obj part also. I don't care what ppl use elsewhere, all i know is that i kick for it where i can. And technically it falls down in same category as fast reload hax, and aimbot cvar, it's in game and u don't need to dl nothing but that doesn't mean it's right to use it. On in past ppl where kicked due 'peeping' the walls and for fast drop reload hax (that has no meaning on avp as reload is always on). I agree with Josephine on fact, that it goes all down to owners but on other hand, u have servers where they accept hacks openly and that doesn't make it right. If someone will use it or not is up to him or her, but i will always see it as hack, same as pb sees it if u disable trees
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Post by Twist3r on Oct 10, 2007 20:22:38 GMT
It's a matter of oppinion. Having great skill creates an "unfair advantage" against lesser players That's neather unfair, nor an exploit
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Post by josephine on Oct 10, 2007 20:34:13 GMT
I understand. I know that you don't allow it on and because of that I will never use it there again. It's a matter of oppinion. Having great skill creates an "unfair advantage" against lesser players That's neather unfair, nor an exploit Tell that to the people I own. They seem to think it's unfair ;D
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Post by biachick on Oct 11, 2007 1:17:20 GMT
As I've said before I don't agree that it is cheating. "Unethical" and "lame" perhaps but not really cheating. EVERYONE.... here you are. She cant escape these words, she admits it's unethical but convinces herself it isnt "technically" a cheat. This is known as playing lawyerball and bottom line is this person is NOT to be trusted. Run you mouth all you want about owning people and some jerk doesnt like you and bla bla bla... you are a cheater...plain and simple... you SUCKASS no debate.
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