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Post by Rai|EST| on May 30, 2009 17:31:59 GMT
On the every thread anyone made there's always iam and wolfsan, stop it! To wolfsan: Don't go offtopic as you did with your first post that had nothing to do with the thread.
To Iam: Try not to respond wolfsan (even if he really does stupid posts)
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Post by wolfsan on May 31, 2009 13:40:53 GMT
On the every thread anyone made there's always iam and wolfsan, stop it! To wolfsan: Don't go offtopic as you did with your first post that had nothing to do with the thread. To Iam: Try not to respond wolfsan (even if he really does stupid posts) MY FIRST POST I AM SURE THAT IS NOT OFFTOPIC I ASK THAT DUD IF HE KNOW SATHATN!!! FROM WHAT I KNOW ALL THE PLAYERS WHO CANT CONNECT USE THE SAME PASSWORD .......If I KNOW the PASSWORD AND IF I GIVE IT TO A FRIEND WHO IS BANNED THEN HE CAN CONNECT ...........in this case that friend can be sathan I HOPE NOW YOU ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS MY INTENTIONS ..... in the rest of the posts i just answer to legend i think is my right to say my opinion special for you ray : from a while you behave as a owner or a moderator of this forum .........but good job boy now role over ...later i give you a biscuit
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Post by Rai|EST| on May 31, 2009 20:15:45 GMT
I behave like my ethic tells me.
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Post by wolfsan on May 31, 2009 21:36:19 GMT
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I behave like my ethic tells me.[/quote]
let me tell what you due have nothing in common with ethics - ethics is apply more in professional domain - ex the law bar between normal people is apply morality in ethics and also in morality :(if you wish to fallow the rules ) -you never get side to somebody by the affinity ground -you never insult non of the parts from what i see you trespass this 2 base rules you fallow my steps :is your second post offtopic ........ now cheep the good work .....role over again ....and you get 2 biscuits i hope you understand my irony and you will not get it to personal.... now i promise i stop here because i think soon somebody will bann me....
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Post by |'L0.| on May 31, 2009 21:56:33 GMT
Uncle google got it wrong this time lol FYI ethics doesn't just have smth in common with moral, it is a moral codec, it doesn't just apply to law domain.. it applies to every job you're doing and even how you act in your private live. While mostly is associated to work area where your ethics and morale dictates you to act professional, handle stuff according to company rules as well as report anything that shouldn't be going on, i.e. boss stealing money should be reported to authority as well as how professional you do your job and if you don't let your emotions interfere with your work fails in subDomain of ethics. So much about ethics class, now i think it should be a good time that Richard locks this thread
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Post by wolfsan on Jun 1, 2009 0:58:18 GMT
hmmmm if we start now to talk deep about moral and ethics i think we will talk 10 years and we still dont com a a final conclusion.... in specialty literature "brainyaks" are still taking about this is something as like in psychology : "emotional process(feelings) are they or not psychological process???" now i present you 2 situations : 1.a mother send her child to beg . -----haw you call this? 2.my wife have a advocate, i have another advocate ,i decide to divorce of my wife ,during the trial this 2 advocates (male -female ) meet eachoter and they start to "sleep" eachoter ------haw you call this?
and yes in both situations the moral principal is trespass ......
ps: and why fokke to close this ?? yes is offtopic but finally we have a normal talk about a original subject (for this forum),and we dont fight..
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Post by |'L0.| on Jun 1, 2009 5:50:51 GMT
Problem with ethic is, that is very hard to define and apply it. Clear example of it would be:
Ethical: If at your work place you see a co-worker taking money it would be ethical to report him to your boss.
Non-ethical: If you're in store and you see some1 stealing and you don't report it, it's not unethical.
It is not just a similar thing, it's the exact same thing in principle but with difference of circumstances, but it is defined different.
Paradox: It would be unethical if you are in store buying stuff for you and you see some1 stealing while your job is being a cop or any other area in law authority, as that would mean that you aren't doing your work correctly aka unethical as you are trying to enforce the rules which you aren't sticking to it in your private life neither thus making your all effort hypocritical which is a part of unethical branch as well.
Problem lies in explanation of things. Ethic is often depended of the law, which creates problem itself as what is somewhere socially acceptable in other places isn't.
Only thing that is common to most if not all the parts of the world when it comes to ethic is the fact that sales profession is one of the most unethical ones, simply due the fact that it pretty much often consists of misleading the customer to buy the merchandise.
But thing is, you can talk about ethic once you actually encounter the problem in which ethic principles play major role, cause before you actually encounter situation where moral codecs should be applied, ethic is nothing but a word on a paper.
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Post by wolfsan on Jun 1, 2009 9:08:51 GMT
yes i agreed with you ,actually using the ideas what you have write in your last2 post i start every year when i teach for the first time my students about ethics the relations between morality and ethics is like your relation with fokke regarding avp server morality can exist without ethics but ethics cant exist without morality for example fokke -is the morality -you are the ethic fokke is the one who pay the server and who due other stuff an sever he have ultimate power you are admin you administrate the server and help with other stuff you also have power an server but not as fokke -----he is the big boss now -if fokke stop his activity he shot down the server --->you cant continue your activity you are finish regarding avp - if you stop your activity an avp ---avp can continue to exist now pleas fallow my ides : -you can apply morality in all human activity -ethics you can apply it more in professional domain most of the time when something is an ethical also is immoral ---not the same thing is with morality something can be immoral but to have nothing to due with ethics ..... regarding my first post when i say that ray behave as a admin or a moderator of this forum ...if he really was a moderator or admin(in this conditions we can say that he is a professional in this domain --->he can apply ethics rules ) then yes it was ok for him to say "my ethics "but he is not is just a normal man in this situation the correct formulation is " my morality " *if i am a painter legend is a politician and ray is a football player and if i start a contradictory discussion about atoms with legend and ray intervene taking one of the side by the affinity reason then his action is immoral *if all 3 of us are medics and in the same situation then the action of ray it will be immoral and nonethic in the end pleas answer to my questions from my previous post ,i dont ask you this "to push you" i am just curious haw think another man from another country with another culture i hope you understand my eng and have time to read this
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Post by Rai|EST| on Jun 1, 2009 13:52:19 GMT
To wolfsan: understood your irony lol Also by ethic i ment: Also i understood what you told about the ehtic and morality, it's not wrong but as it is kind of philosophy all we can talk about it for the rest of our lives. Also i have learnt that ehtics is manners and accustoms science, and that's why i told it's ehtic because I'm accustomed to do so then I do. And as the morality is linked with culture and lifestyle it is different everywhere, so in my opinion you can't call this morality because in the forum we have certain rules not a specified culture or lifestyle. I don't say you are wrong, it seems like you have learned axiology and moral philosophy, but i don't think every people should know that so specified, they should just know the different between ethics and morality. Also The forum has rules, so it's quite much about ethics.
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